ea1997 (July 3, 2008 at 2:15 pm)

Once we go to national healthcare in the US, you can bet that all of these very intelligent doctors are going to go into something else. Generation X will be having "average" students as their doctors, because the cream of the crop is going to be doing something else. You get what you pay for. We could free up all the money needed to get excellent healthcare for everyone by placing more scrutiny on the workmans compensation system. Too many people abuse this in order not to have to work.

KNWTHEFCTS61 (July 3, 2008 at 3:00 am)

One more thing, I think one of the people suing(pending) the Ont Gov.(your ref.)is the man in this video.I have previously posted the waittimes available to him and if you add the days to Jan 2/06 when he first had his seizure you will see that the care he could have gotten in Ontario would have been done at the same time or possibly earlier than what he got in the US.All this man had to do was search on the internet(like many Americans)and he could have avioded $40K+.Once again KNOWTHEFACTS.

KNWTHEFCTS61 (July 3, 2008 at 2:14 am)

The public system will always be here and be used by the majority of people just like in the UK, Germany etc.Belinda Stronach had most of her cancer treatments done in Ontario and only had her last procedure done in Calif. Please read the full article.The patients suing are for elective procedures hence no "dead guys", unlike the 18K in the US(InstitueofMedicine).With the language you've used, you've shown your true colors.You're just not worth the time.

backitupwithfacts (July 3, 2008 at 12:16 am)

One more thing Mr. KNWTHEFCT's...NY Times article Feb 6, 2006 "As Canada's Slow-Motion Public Health System Falters, Private Medical Care Is Surging"...Globe and Mail article March 11, 2008 "Even huge tumour can't secure care in Ontario"...CTV Sept 14, 2007 "Stronach went to U.S. for cancer treatment: report" (She's one of your former Canadian Cabinet Minister right?)...Toronto Star Sep 06, 2007 "Patients suing province over wait times" Need more FACTS? Or do you NOTKNWTHEFCTS???

backitupwithfacts (July 2, 2008 at 11:55 pm)

You're an idiot, I know it...you might...but I doubt it. I'm not discussing a subject with a socialist who believes in socialism. OUR constitution does NOT have the right to healthcare. My argument was that we don't need it as a country. Now if those, as you say, 18,000 need it, let them get a second job, marry a rich person, or move to friggin Canada! Better yet, if you care so much, how about YOU start a non-profit to buy them a policy. Stay the hell out of our politics. I'm done with you.

backitupwithfacts (July 2, 2008 at 11:50 pm)

I can back it up with facts. FACT-the US healthcare system is THE best in the world. You can throw around the stupid stat that 18,000 die ever year from lack of health insurance. How do you prove such a claim? Just because they say it doesn't mean anything. Give me the names...read me the list. WHO died because they didn't have it? Or was it because they didn't go to a doctor (when they would have been seen!) The "fat" issue was to prove you have NO freedom of speech. The first step to socialism

KNWTHEFCTS61 (July 2, 2008 at 10:44 pm)

In regards to calling someone "fat", it takes a very immature person to EVEN suggest doing something like that.

KNWTHEFCTS61 (July 2, 2008 at 9:04 pm)

It's interesting how you change the subject when you can't BACKITUPWITHFACTS. What I asked on my last comment was for you to BACKITUPWITHFACTS that there are "dead guys" from waiting lists in Canada. However, you did not do this which essentially deems your comment as PROPAGANDA. How can you expect anyone to believe your comments if you can't BACKITUPWITHFACTS? Another thing, people that are losing arguments resort to insults(ie.People's Republic of Canada).

backitupwithfacts (July 2, 2008 at 1:36 pm)

I guess you're ignoring the FACT that many of them make a decision not to buy it??? Also, if you have insurance doesn't mean that you WILL go to the doctor? Do you know how many poeple who HAVE insurance don't go to avoid bad news? Where's that FACT? Statistics can say whatever you want. Why am I arguing with you? You're in a socialist system already. Don't try to change mine. This is America, not the People's Republic of Canada! If your country's so great, go out in public & call someone "fat".

KNWTHEFCTS61 (July 2, 2008 at 1:38 am)

but "dead men" do have Estates which can sue governments if their Charter Rights were violated. Since there are so many Estates from your so called "dead men" in Canada, how many law suits have their Estates filed for Charter violations in Canada? BACKITUPWITHFACTS Here's the number for the US: From the INSTITUTE OF MEDICINE - 18,000 Americans die every year due to lack of health insurance.