jaar2001 (August 28, 2008 at 1:05 pm)

Allende was elected with less than 40% of the votes, this is not what i call "mass support". He had to make a pact with christian democrats to be president. He didn't respect this pact nor the constitution according to the parliament freshly elected by the chilean people 6 months before the coup d'Etat. Anyway, marxists have never pretended to be democrats so I don't understand why you want to conciliate both. "If you don't agree with me you're a fascist". God, grow up.

KafkaCrow (August 27, 2008 at 8:27 pm)

"Allende was not respecting the constitution" Oh, and that's surely the only reason why the coup occurred. The constitution of a country is not always democratic; Allende was democratically elected and had mass support. That's democracy; if you disagree with it you're nothing more than a fascist.

BRYAN351 (August 27, 2008 at 8:49 am)

I've spent most of my life working for myself, and love it. Could I do that in a socialist system? Fuck no. By the way, Webster defines SOCIALISM as: "any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or GOVERNMENTAL ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods". COMMUNISM is defined as: "a: theory advocating elimination of private property b: a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed."

jaar2001 (August 26, 2008 at 3:01 pm)

Moreover Friedman never supported the pinochet political regime. He thought that greater economic freedom would lead to greater political freedom. It appeared he was right. Friedman also gave his views to the Chinese government. I guess it makes him a communist.

jaar2001 (August 26, 2008 at 3:00 pm)

Chilean army was asked by the Chilean parliament to intervene because Allende was not respecting the constitution.So even from a democratic point of view, the coup d'état was perfectly justified. In the first few months, the military power had a interventionist, statist, protectionist policy that you wouldn't deny. It appeared to be a big disaster and they decided to apply chicago views to reduce inflation. It worked. Now people of Chile are among the less miserable in South America.

jaar2001 (August 26, 2008 at 2:51 pm)

>The state does not = community. Who is the community? Where do we meet her? How does she know what my needs and capabilities are? How does she know what is the best way to fulfill my needs? >socialists want workplace democracy. democracy=law of the majority=law of the strongest >You spend your entire life working for business -why? I wish. So far I've been jobless thanks to the many socialist laws which rules my country.

Incendiarismm (August 26, 2008 at 6:45 am)

Don't forget to mention that Hitler was outright hostile to communists and socialists and even supported the fascist Franco in the spanish civil war. The same could be said of Mussolini. Nationalization and controlled markets does not equal socialism, contrary to the notions of some.

KafkaCrow (August 26, 2008 at 4:29 am)

What about Pinochet's Chile, then? Underwent a "miracle" that involved mass murder and brutal oppression. But still "free" because the free market was allowed to operate. You people are such fucking morons.

KafkaCrow (August 26, 2008 at 4:20 am)

Socialism is defined as: a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. The state does not = community. ". the separation of economics and politics" That's why I'm not a capitalist. You have no (or at best very little) say in how the economy works. I mean, socialists want workplace democracy. You spend your entire life working for business -why?

jaar2001 (August 26, 2008 at 3:42 am)

yep. german state was controlling production and prices. it doesn't mean some capitalist industries were not happy to produce what german state needed. corporatism is a form of socialism, the connivence of some political and economical interests at the detriment of others. free market means independant from political power. the separation of economics and politics. the opposite of socialism. that's why i don't support socialism but free market.