silateer (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

If you are looking for research on what an UC adjustment can do look to Dr. Sweat, and Atlas Orthogonal. They seem to the most research within this profession.

dr0ckstar (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

great info! my chiropractor knows upper cervical as well as diversified so good news for me!

dwulster (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

And like I say the chiros in this video are adjusting wrong and they are still getting results. And while being specific is great Innate Intelligence can do more with not so specific forces as people think, After all Innate Intelligence makes the adjustment..Not the chiro. So most of the time if you are on the correct side and give a decent toggle II can use that force to achieve adjustment. So don't think 95% of chiros doing toggle cannot get good results. They can.

dwulster (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Well my friend the truth is that most of the upper cervical people no matter who they are are adjusting wrong anyway. Not the way BJ said to. And UC adjusting aint all that complex. People have just created new systems to sell. The proper way to adjust the atlas is with the patient prone or on a UC knee chest table with the head rotated. Not with the patient on their side. But anyway you can adjust on the side it is just not the right way. And like I said it is not rocket science.

subluxationskill (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

well if you think learning recoil in a class for one semester is enough to practice upper cervical competently then I guess we have a problem within our profession. Go look at the tapes of BJ and his classes do toggle. The you have a toggle recoild worth talking about. Just cuz you manipulate the neck doesn't make you UC. That is like saying if you can use a knife and cut someone you are a heart surgeon. Little more to it than just manipulationg some bones!!!!!!

dwulster (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Well yea. But the fact is that many DCs are trained in toggle recoil. Everyone from Palmer is, everyone from life and Sherman are so it is not like only a "few" are trained. I think this was the upper cervical chiros of a certain technique saying this. But we all know that upper cervical toggle recoil is taught to a great deal of the profession.

redondomolly (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

there is a big difference between a specific Upper cervical correction and a diversified manipulation in the upper neck.This does not mean that doing diverisfied on the neck cannot cause a change in blood pressure. However to say that regular chiropractic is the same as Upper Cervical is simply not true. While at this moment we have no research to prove this, in the coming years we will start to find out through research which technique gets superior results.

rpdarrow (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Chiropractic (as a science) has had over 100 years to prove, through credible research, that spinal subluxation (a) correlates to organ disfunction (b) can be fixed by spinal manipulation. Interestingly enough...in 100 year chiropractic has NOT proven this. It is a scientific FACT. Spinal 'subluxation' is not correlated to organ disfunction and it CANNOT be fixed by spinal manipulation. Chiropractic, as a 'science' is nothing more than a really great marketing ploy. Chiropractors sell snake oil.

drnightster (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I love how the MD wiggles when he has to admit that chiropractic treatment of the atlas will reduce hypertension. By the way, ALL chiropractors can adjust the atlas and it doesn't take special training. He's just using this verbage to, later on, get the legislature to make a law that only "specially trained" docs can do this. (meaning one of "them" MDs) Looks like they're trying to take away more of the pie from chiros.

Jani130177 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

There is some research already that Chiro adjustment can have an effect on other systems than just musculoskeletal. For example there is a study which points out that low back adjustment can significantly help women with painful periods. Please, don't be too skeptical just read the research!