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Fridomfry (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
On the whole, Christian societies were the first to abolish slavery. From the 19th century on, Western European states have repressed slave trade at sea.
LadyLively (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
The Irish were always used as slaves by the English. it's laughable that u say Romans were Christians so didn't practice slavery. Why on earth did they enslave Africans then? In Africa slavery existed but not on any scale comparable to Western slavery. African slaves could live an independent life and were usually prisoners of war. Christianity was the factor used to JUSTIFY slavery! And the first American slaves were Irish but kept running away so they used color as a way to manage slavery!
UKCNZA87 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Also, please do not forget that the Europeans enslaved each other for hundreds of years. Look at the Greco-Roman cultures. They owned slaves. Look at the Celts, they were slaves to the anglo peoples. look at the first slaves in America whom were from Wales and Ireland. So, It had nothing to do with race. Every society just saw an oppertunity to enslave people. It happened in Africa-Asia-Europe before any of these places knew that the other existed.
UKCNZA87 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
It is a historical fact that slaves traded their own people to Europeans. The reason is that African tribes who fought each other and when they captured the "enemy" they would enslave them for 10 yrs. This could possibly be what they thought when they caught slaves for the Europeans. It could also just have been pure green which see's no skin colour or race.
Yet, on the other hand European people today are not responsible for what happened hundreds of years ago.
gnata (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
First,where did you get that african societies were based on slavery?Proofs please!and I didn't say that selfdom was slavery,I said exactly that "selfdom was in fact "A FORM" OF slavery,serfs had the rights the Landlord wanted to give them and nothing else and that is exactly another definition of slavery Q.O.D! Know the différence between "slavery" and the "enslavement of Africans",those 2 notions are different.African where slave because of their color not because of their condition
Fridomfry (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
"Modern" is a standard term in history for a given period. It differs in French and English:
- 1452-1789 = Histoire Moderne in French, and "Early Modern history" in English
- 1789-today = Histoire Contemporaine in French, and "Modern history" in English.
Yes, I ignored that the first slaves in America were whites. I just Googled that and learned. Thanks for this.
Paul Baepler "White Slaves, African Masters", is another must-read.
Fridomfry (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
In europe the "serf" system was not a form of slavery. Serfs were nobody's property, they were just assigned to a land, so that all soil would be cultivated to ensure a regular food supply. Serfs had rights, they had families, they were not sold or bought, and they could also join a king's city were serfdom did not exist. Most "negro" slaves of the 18th century, in America or Africa, would have preferred to be a serf in Medieval France or Britain!
gnata (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
You seems to ignore that the first slaves in america were whites,and in europe the "serf" system was definitly a form of slavery.Don't tell me christian religion was opposed to slavery cause pope NicholasV permit it toward the negros of africa , read Rosa amélia Uribe-plumelle "La férocité blanche".And what is modern times for you?lol , you're really funny!
Fridomfry (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Western societies were NOT based on slavery, since the Roman empire had become Christian. Christian religion generally opposed slavery, even if it had to compose with local powers and interests. For example, Christianity couldn't but tolerate slavery in the Americas, yet in the states where the Catholic church ruled (Paraguay, etc.) slavery ws abolished. There were no slaves in Europe in the early modern times, except for a few slaves brought by American colonists.
gnata (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
It's not because many(all) westerners societies were based on slavery that the whole world africa include was like that,lol,you take your assumptions for the reality. Read Cheikh Anta diop :L'Afrique Noire Précolonial ( the english version is available ), A "wollo so" or a "Bauta" is not a slave,you talk with no proofs and it's a problem when it comes to dabating with you guys , bring me more than some sobering facts |
