Stan1208 (October 6, 2008 at 9:41 pm)

Barack will save us.

oldjoe5 (October 6, 2008 at 8:32 pm)

Let's summarize. You are caught in explicit and implicit dishonesties and, rather then admit as much, you conclude "It can't be responded to until you fix it, but you're a liar so there's no point." Let's add incoherent to dishonest, shall we?

johnnycash7001 (October 6, 2008 at 6:20 pm)

Ron Paul is the only candidate not bought and paid for. If he isn't elected im done with this crap. Ill just never get into politics again. ill just get a Mccain bumper sticker.

OvaltinePatrol (October 6, 2008 at 5:33 pm)

Your first point is without merit: the conversation was never about if the GOP were the driving force of the Civil Rights movement, it was about if they had done anything since the time of Teddy Roosevelt, which they had. Again you seek to change the topic and misquote and misrepresent not only me, but yourself. Your second point is meandering and probably mistyped, Strom was a Democratic politician from 46 to 64. It can't be responded to until you fix it, but you're a liar so there's no point.

oldjoe5 (October 6, 2008 at 1:35 pm)

(1) Nobody has ever heard the civil rights act of 1960; it's import is dwarfed by the legislation of 1964. For you to defend the GOP by implying they were the driving force behind the key civil rights legislation is dishonest. (2) Your citing Strom Thurmond's action as a democrat and failing to note he switched to Dem in repsponse to LBJ's passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1965 is equally misleading. I guess you were not ignorant in your posts, you were flat out dishonest

OvaltinePatrol (October 6, 2008 at 3:23 am)

It turns out I missed one of your responses, the one starting with "Yikes." It occurs to me now that maybe the real problem was that you have a Clintonian attitude towards simple words. Whereas Bill's was "is," yours is "the." I didn't use the word "the," to imply that The Civil Rights Act of 1960 was the first and last word in the movement, I used the word because it's part of its proper title. Now that I've resolved that, hopefully you can get over being wrong.

OvaltinePatrol (October 6, 2008 at 3:03 am)

I sent you a link to the text of the law in a message. I don't see why you cannot grasp the concept that there were two separate pieces of legislation: The Civil Rights Act of 1960 and The Civil Rights Act of 1964. The first was signed into law by Eisenhower, the second by LBJ. I proved that your original statement "The last positive civil rights actions by the GOP was under Teddy Roosevelt," to be false and your response was to attempt to change the topic and misquote me. You have failed.

oldjoe5 (October 6, 2008 at 1:01 am)

Okay Ovaltine. Esisenhower passed THE Civil Rights Bill in 1960, not LBJ in 1964. And Strom Thurmond did not switch to GOP in 1964 in response to the passage of the bill that year. If that will protect your ego, then so be it

OvaltinePatrol (October 5, 2008 at 8:46 pm)

You're wrong again. I said the GOP was responsible for the first civil rights legislation of the 20th Century. I'm hoping you won't try to argue that 1964 came before 1960, because if you're operating under different rules of time and space it will be impossible to argue with you. Misquoting me isn't going to help you, especially since anyone can go back and see what I actually wrote. You could try to find some earlier 20th Century federal legislation, it's possible I missed something.

oldjoe5 (October 5, 2008 at 3:38 pm)

Your original post of talked about THE Civil Rights Act, not the Civil Rights Act of 1960. You are now re-working your original post to pretend you were not wrong